
...Agreed!
"The amount of trans fat being put in our food has declined by 50 percent since about 2005! The end is in sight, with both food manufacturers and chain restaurants switching from the most harmful fat of all—the partially hydrogenated oil that is the source of artificial trans fat—to healthier oils. The "end" will be the virtual elimination of trans fat from our food supply, saving roughly 50,000 lives per year!"
"The laws of capitalism, which are blind and are invisible to ordinary people, act upon the individual without he or she being aware of it. One sees only the vastness of a seemingly infinite horizon ahead. That is how it is painted by capitalist propagandists who purport to draw a lesson from the example of Rockefeller — whether or not it is true — about the possibilities of individual success. The amount of poverty and suffering required for a Rockefeller to emerge, and the amount of depravity entailed in the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible for the popular forces to expose this clearly ... It is a contest among wolves. One can win only at the cost of the failure of others."— Che Guevara [1]
What you're forgetting is that that for a job to be a net producer it actually has to add value and capital to society. Value is subjective, and is revealed through things like consumer preferences. Since there are millions of consumers and every one of them is different, economic "value" is an extremely complex thing, so the combined power of millions of people trading with each other is the only way to really see what proportion of the population values certain things and by how much.
When a particular product is valued greatly and the supply is low - then prices rise signaling to producers that now would be a great time to get in on the action and make more of that product. New businesses open up in that field and suddenly supply starts to increase (bringing prices down, but now meeting demand for that good). This means that when a company is making a profit, this is generally because it is offering something valuable to it's consumers... Thus it should be said that they are adding wealth/value to society.
However, if a product is not highly valued, consumers won't volunteer to pay as much for the good or fewer people will be willing to pay - which in turn sends a signal to producers that said product *is not* wanted and capital would be best used elsewhere... Subsequently, if a company producing the non-valued product is over producing, then they will be operating at an economic loss and will have to adjust their output down to compensate or go out of business... this may mean laying off workers.
Because the market is based on voluntary transactions, that information is conveyed relatively quickly through profits & losses... Government can, as we've seen, fuck with that system very easily. For example by mitigating the losses that would have told producers that X or Y jobs were inefficient or not valued, thus contributing to a decline or a slowdown in generating real wealth when companies are unable to see actual market signals... Which means: There will be less stuff produced that people need or want, and thus more scarcity of highly valued goods and higher costs of living+lower quality of life overall... This is a bad thing.
Further, by trying to provide services itself, Government inherently works less efficiently than private companies.
Here's some hypothetical math to demonstrate why:
Let's look at how $500,000 might be employed to produce a good by a private company operating within a free-price, profit & loss system and government (which intrinsically operates without respect to profits or losses and is the rule-maker and thus can arbitrarily control prices).
Ex A: Private Company
A company that's earned that money in profits (in a free market) has done so by providing a product or service that is valued by their customers. If it was not valued, then consumers would have bought something else, right? Because they've earned profits, the company has received the signal that demand for their product is high and thus an expansion might be in order. The market rate, including benefits is - for example - $50,000.
But these are new jobs so they'll have to hire 1 new manager, and an HR person as well, lets say they're both worth $75,000.
SO... Our company hires 1 HR person, who hires 1 manager, and 7 new workers.
Those workers then spend their salaries on everything you talked about above [going to pay salaries of barbers, car-dealers, grocers, etc. - since everyone buys stuff there's always secondary & tertiary effects in the overall economy of employing someone].
Overall, this has been an activity which adds value to society, since 1. Consumers provided proof that they wanted/needed what's being sold, 2. The company's business model is efficient enough that profits aren't eaten up by operating cost, and 3. More of the right (for that moment) stuff is now being produced, thus increasing everyone's ability to get said product. Now, I know you're probably thinking about "CheapChineseCrap" or "SUVs", but imagine that this company is producing Flu Vaccines instead. We now have +7 workers creating the vaccine.
Ex B: Government
First. They have no way of effectively knowing if what they want to produce is needed or wanted, because instead of a profit & loss mechanism or a free price system, their "profits" are collected involuntarily, and prices are set either by some market-mimicking standard as the USSR did it, or by arbitrary fiat like Hugo Chavez. Ignoring the fact that this requires an inordinate amount of force... which I know you don't really care too much about, the point is that there's no automatic way to know what's actually needed at any given time.
So instead of acquiring the information naturally through observation of prices and profits - we have to hire "experts" to tell us what's needed, and we need someone in charge of determining what prices are. Since everyone in government is funded by taxes instead of via voluntary payments then you also need a tax-collector. Let's say that the "expert" can be responsible both for what gets produced and at what price they'll sell it and he manages to discover that we need more flu vaccines and ties the sell price at market value. Everything being equal to the private company, let's get back to the math model:
Same $500,000 but this time taken by force via taxation.
Government has to first hire someone to collect the taxes... say $50,000 to that person. The expert commands $100,000 but that's very important, so we'll accept that too. Then they still have to hire a manager, at $75,000 and an HR person do to that hiring at $75,000 – and finally, as many workers to actually produce the vaccine as they can with the remainder.
So where does this leave us? With 1 Expert, 1 Taxman, 1 HR guy, 1 Manager, and... Well gosh, only 4 workers. I should also note that I'm being extremely generous, since government would probably opt to work at a loss to provide the vaccine at a nominally cheaper price, they would be paying far more than $50,000 to some unionized work force complete with life-time pension guarantees, and it wouldn't take 1 “expert”, but a whole team. But for my scaled down purposes... this will be fine.
So, you might think, “So what? Everyone has a job right?”
Sure... Everyone has a job - well, actually, 6 people instead of 7 have a job because the administrative side is a little more top-heavy and you can't afford to hire as many people with the same budget, but whatever... People are employed. But you know what the world doesn't have??
Enough Flu Vaccine.
Thank you for playing.
"Sean, after trying to read your multi-page rant, I just about burst out laughing when I realized that you don't even grasp that the government buys more flu vaccine than anyone. In any case, people will not give up flu vaccines. They will give up the countertops. Your analogy is wrong.
And btw, a company that has one HR worker for every seven employees is DoA. Your numbers are completely made up, and actually in denial of the facts. Overhead for government agencies compares very favorably to the private sector."
"People who are very aware that they have more knowledge than the average person are often very unaware that they do not have one-tenth of the knowledge of all of the average persons put together. In this situation, for the intelligentsia to impose their notions on ordinary people is essentially to impose ignorance on knowledge."- Thomas Sowell
“Only when the fountains of government abundance began to dry up, when through lack of funds and the impossibility of negotiating fresh loans the state was forced to check the extension of bureaucracy and to put a stop to public works, then and only then did the Italians realize what it meant to have allowed themselves to be made one of the most heavily taxed nations in the world.” have allowed themselves to be made one of the most heavily taxed nations in the world."- Guglielmo Ferrero, 1898
"Libertarianism is the radical notion that you don't own other people"
In March, Fannie Mae (FNM.N)(FNM.P) said it would no longer guarantee mortgages on condos in buildings where fewer than 70 percent of the units have been sold, up from 51 percent, the paper said. Freddie Mac (FRE.P)(FRE.N) is due to implement similar policies next month, the paper said.Seriously Mr. Frank?In a letter to the CEO's of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold "may be too onerous" and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper.
''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''Like I said... Comedy gold. Additionally... Barney Frank sounds like an idiot, which really adds to the hilarity. Plus, you know... his name is "Barney".
"These aftershocks need not be major. Ghastly as it may seem to say this, the terror attack like the original day of infamy, which brought an end to the Great Depression ? could even do some economic good.
...So the direct economic impact of the attacks will probably not be that bad. And there will, potentially, be two favorable effects.
First, the driving force behind the economic slowdown has been a plunge in business investment. Now, all of a sudden, we need some new office buildings. As I've already indicated, the destruction isn't big compared with the economy, but rebuilding will generate at least some increase in business spending."
"To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble."
"Compare me … compare me, uh, with anyone else, and I think you’ll see that my forecasting record is not great."
"August 14th, 2001
"Consumers, who already have low savings and high debt, probably can't contribute much. But housing, which is highly sensitive to interest rates, could help lead a recovery.... But there has been a peculiar disconnect between Fed policy and the financial variables that affect housing and trade. Housing demand depends on long-term rather than short-term interest rates -- and though the Fed has cut short rates from 6.5 to 3.75 percent since the beginning of the year, the 10-year rate is slightly higher than it was on Jan. 1.... Sooner or later, of course, investors will realize that 2001 isn't 1998. When they do, mortgage rates and the dollar will come way down, and the conditions for a recovery led by housing and exports will be in place."
October 7, 2001
"Post-terror nerves aside, what mainly ails the U.S. economy is too much of a good thing. During the bubble years businesses overspent on capital equipment; the resulting overhang of excess capacity is a drag on investment, and hence a drag on the economy as a whole.
In time this overhang will be worked off. Meanwhile, economic policy should encourage other spending to offset the temporary slump in business investment. Low interest rates, which promote spending on housing and other durable goods, are the main answer. But it seems inevitable that there will also be a fiscal stimulus package"
Dec 28, 2001
"The good news about the U.S. economy is that it fell into recession, but it didn't fall off a cliff. Most of the credit probably goes to the dogged optimism of American consumers, but the Fed's dramatic interest rate cuts helped keep housing strong even as business investment plunged."
“The remedy for the boom is not a higher rate of interest but a lower rate of interest! For that may enable the so-called boom to last. The right remedy for the trade cycle is not to be found in abolishing booms and thus keeping us permanently in a semi-slump; but in abolishing slumps and keeping us permanently in a quasi-boom.”.
~ Keynes (1964), p. 322.
C'mon Paul... This is ridiculous. As is your "moderated" comments board (by which I mean, filtered so that not a single comment appears from anyone who exposes your absurd lie with links & evidence from your many years of advocating exactly the policy that you appear to in your 2002 statement).
You've advocated for a perpetual bubble over & over, and the internet archives only help those of us who've been paying attention to keep you from forgetting.
Continue your attempts at wriggling your way out of your own bad predictions and worse ideas, but here's a barrage of quotes from your own mouth & pen, sir:
http://blog.mises.org/archives/010153.asp
Perhaps you've forgotten all those. But do you have the guts to let your readers see... That remains to be seen I guess. (This comment will be posted elsewhere, as I won't be holding my breath for your board's "approval").
To all the commenters here like "Sabrina Star", rolling their eyes at the rest of us, your smugness suits you about as well as it does on Krugman himself... But self-congratulations, ad hominem attacks and snide remarks really can't help you out of this one. Your dear leader can't weasel out of his own advocacy quite so easily.
Finally Dr. Krugman - It's also worth noting that you've showed your hand to the Austrian school here, as you've obviously admitted that the Federal Reserve is capable of artificially creating a bubble. Since you recognize that it's possible, will you now go on record admitting that that's exactly what happened here?
No more "animal spirits", no more "deregulation" canards (we all know Bush was the biggest regulator since Nixon already - http://www.reason.com/news/show/130328.html & http://cei.org/news-release/2009/06/17/obama-overregulation-plan-wont-fix-financial-crisis). I want to see you admit that you realize the accuracy of the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, and that the bubble in housing was a direct result of what you said (and yes, advocated) in 2002.
Admit that you understand that this crisis was caused by exactly the kind of Keynesian policies you've been advocating for your entire career.
“To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.”
"everyone guessed wrong" on the impact of the stimulus, economy was worse off than anyone thought.
“Ben S. Bernanke does not think the national housing boom is a bubble that is about to burst, he indicated to Congress last week, just a few days before President Bush nominated him to become the next chairman of the Federal Reserve.-Washington Post, October 27, 2005
U.S. house prices have risen by nearly 25 percent over the past two years, noted Bernanke, currently chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, in testimony to Congress’s Joint Economic Committee. But these increases, he said, ‘largely reflect strong economic fundamentals,’ such as strong growth in jobs, incomes and the number of new households.”
“A leveling out or a modest softening of housing activity seems more likely than a sharp contraction…”-Testimony to a House Financial Services Committee, Thursday, February 16, 2006, (source: Washington Times, February 16, 2006)
“My baseline outlook involves a period of sluggish growth, followed by a somewhat stronger pace of growth starting later this year as the effects of (Fed) and fiscal stimulus begin to be felt.”-Testimony to the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on February 14, 2008
"Here’s a look at Bernanke’s recent comments on the economy:
Jan. 13 - "Fiscal policy can stimulate economic activity, but a sustained recovery will also require a comprehensive plan to stabilize the financial system and restore normal flows of credit," Bernanke said at the London School of Economics.
Feb. 24 - Bernanke said he hoped the recession will end this year, but that there were significant risks to that forecast. Any economic turnaround will hinge on the success of the Fed and the Obama administration in getting credit and financial markets to operate more normally again. "
March 3 - Testifying to the Senate Budget Committee on the bailout of American International Group Inc. ( AIG - news - people ), Bernanke didn't repeat remarks he had made a week earlier that the recession could end this year if the government succeeded in turning around wobbly financial markets.
March 10 - The recession was more severe than the Fed had expected, Bernanke acknowledged after a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations. Still, he added there's a "good chance" the recession could end this year if the government managed to get financial markets to operate more normally again.
March 15 - "We'll see the recession coming to an end probably this year," if the government succeeds in bolstering the banking system, Bernanke said in an interview with CBS ( CBS - news - people ) TV program "60 Minutes."
April 3 - He said he expects a "gradual resumption of sustainable economic growth." However, he didn't say when in remarks to a Fed conference in Charlotte, N.C.
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April 14 - "Recently we have seen tentative signs that the sharp decline in economic activity may be slowing," Bernanke said in a speech at Morehouse College in Atlanta. "To be sure, we will not have a sustainable recovery without a stabilization of our financial system and credit markets."
May 5 - "We continue to expect economic activity to bottom out, then to turn up later this year," Bernanke told lawmakers, sounding more confident about the prospects for a recovery later in 2009.."